Upload speeds in the UK

[x_helios_x]

Hey peeps I live in City near to london in the uk.
however my upto 10mg broadband atm is only offering me .25-.75mg upload speeds.

i'm with virgin media and does any1 have any advise or suggestions, or even other company's that could increase my upload speed.

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[Wichitachiefsfan]

I don't know about increasing your speed other than getting a better package but you can stream with .75 upload in FME provided you aren't also doing other things online like playing an online game.

You can stream at a low resolution like 400x232 widescreen at 350bitrate and 30FPS in H.264 that will still look pretty decent but if your upload drops down towards that .25 you mentioned there's not much you can stream at that bitrate except maybe 320x200.

[x_helios_x]

thanks for your quick advise. i shall try streaming again tomorrow, with your specs.

[Waxxyface]

A few things;

First, Virgin Media offer much better packages for a small increase in price. They have the 20mb package which offers a 768Kbps upload speed and a 50MB package which offers a 1750Kbps upload speed. You can have a pretty much perfect quality stream at about 800Kbps so get on the phone and upgrade to the 50Mb package. Even broadcasting at 600Kbps would be very watchable.

http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html

Second, Virgin Media are currently in the process of trialling much faster upload speeds. There have been rumours circulating from certain people that they plan to put everyone on a 10:1 ratio very soon. That means their packages will (hopefully) be as follows

10mb Download / 1mb Upload
20mb Download / 2mb Upload
50mb Download / 5mb Upload

Various people have reported over the past few weeks that their upload speeds have been jumping up to this for a few days and then back down. This means they are definitely trialling it so I would expect the upgrades to start rolling out within the next few months. End of the year at the latest.

You can also look into BT Infinity but I would recommend staying where you are because if you don't live close to the telephone exchange you aren't going to get the speeds advertised.

[pikem4n]

Hello folks

I am also in the uk and can also say what waxxyface is saying is infact totally true, i am in the UK, have a 10 meg virgin dsl service i am getting pretty good speeds atm, especially with the upload have a look ;)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/962385683.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

The thing problem is in the Uk we get dire internet speeds,compaired to a lot of our fellow jtv casters who seem to get really good speeds (hell theres even a guy in HK who gets a higher Upload speed than my current download speeds, and he's got Wireless broadband!).

Just wondering though have jtv ever thought about having servers that are not located in america,say like for instance in the eurozone so european casters would not suffer with the upload??

[Rapsody10]

this is something that might happen within the next year

Raps

[x_helios_x]

i did try again 2night and seem to be ok the resolution was lower ofc but i can handle that

[jaswa]

If you try the new dUb broadcaster...then you can step by step increase the bitrate in the settings from 200kbps to 3mbps, and figure out what is the max you can do in UK with your ISP. You can also change resolution, so you get smoother picture with lower bw. ... Go to Settings and then choose Custom, to do the trials.

[x_helios_x]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/972006652.png

is what my upload is now after upgrading, could any1 be kind enough to tell me the optimal resolution / bit-rate.

My computer specs al-so

Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
GFX card: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT 1g


also small edit alot of peopel ahve said i should get Adobe (FME) Flash Media Encoder 2.5 and (NOT 3.x) ect views on that?

[Rapsody10]

your upload remains the same
so streaming will requiere at least 500 kb and you not using theupload for anything else
FME 2.5 might be a good idea ( some claim uses less resources )

Raps

[Wichitachiefsfan]

In order to give you an idea of what resolution to at least try it would be good to know if you are capturing your desktop with software like VHscrCap or if you are capturing with hardware like a internal or external capture device.


As far as your upload internet Raps is correct in that you don't have the speed to do anything but stream, some guys play online games and steam them live which both use the internet and you simply don't have the upload to do that.

I also posted some settings to try based on your upload of .75mb in a previous post.

If you have at least a fairly decent pc with a good cpu and fair amount of memory I would actually advise you to use FME 3.0 or 3.1 as they will give you a better chance of streaming a good quality video at a low resolution than FME 2.5 can do.

Its true FME 2.5 uses less pc resources (mainly less cpu) but 2,5 is also older and doesn't do as good a job making low resolution video look as good as 3.0 and 3.1 both can do.

[Waxxyface]

You can stream video at about 550-600Kbps as long as you are not playing a multiplayer game. Hopefully Virgin Media give you that speed upgrade to 2mb upload sooner rather than later. They actually did an official press release today on it so they are starting to roll it out area by area over the next few weeks or so.

http://pressoffice.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=205406&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1477506&highlight=

[x_helios_x]

That is indeed lovely a 2 upload would be perfect

i'm going to capture from a dazzle card. for ps3 gaming and my desktop for pc gaming < neither i play online at the moment>

[x_helios_x]

Did my first ps3 cast today wasn't so bad i think

http://www.justin.tv/x_helios_x/b/271147359

my video seems to have a letter box effect however,
720x576 input
720x480 for some reason gives me a green screen altho i can hear sound.

output
580 x 322

h.264
20fps
total bitrate used 540


if any1 has any more suggestions would be lovely :)
<esp about the green screen i get>
should mention i'm using a dazzle 100